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DCS: Mi-24P

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DCS: Mi-24P
« en: 31 de Diciembre de 2017, 18:03:15 pm »
Actualización de desarrollo del Mi-24P.

Se trabaja en el modelo de vuelo y en el modelo externo e interno. Se está creando una IA realista tanto para el piloto como para el artillero del Hind que reciba ordenes del jugador tanto para vuelo como para ataque. Además, esta ya no será la tipica IA de "todo lo ve", se le está colocando ciertos comportamientos realistas y sistema de visión para detectar blancos y otras funcionalidades.

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Mi-24P update:

3D model is not at the state when we are ready to flash it to tease you yet.

We've finished modelling of hover, takeoff and general performance in the air of this helicopter.

Currently team is working on Mi-24P crew AI. Mi-24P crew AI will be available as pilot or as gunner.

We are aiming to implement control over AI functionality with help of AI GUI which will allow you to use only 4 buttons to give AI specific commands regarding:

Heading
Speed
ALtitude
Maneuvers
Hover menu
Target choice

Also we are working on AI crew targets detection logic. It will not be just all-seeing AI copilot/gunner, as you can see on pics below, AI behaviour will not be simplistic and during spotting its being modelled to mimic real pilots training logic for spotting targets. Things like distance, angle and illumination will be taken into account among many others.

1st pic. Dependencies check
2nd pic. Angles scheme
3rd pic. Experimental data analysis
4th pic. Example of AI GUI for speed control




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Re:Belsimtek Mi-24P
« Respuesta #1 en: 31 de Diciembre de 2017, 18:27:52 pm »
bonito esperfolle de fórmulas!  :cunao:

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Re:Belsimtek Mi-24P
« Respuesta #2 en: 01 de Enero de 2018, 15:12:27 pm »
Las ganas que tengo al Hind no lo sabe nadie.

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Re:Belsimtek Mi-24P
« Respuesta #3 en: 02 de Enero de 2018, 08:31:08 am »
Las "chaaaaarts"....  :palomitas:

 :despollao: :despollao: :despollao:
Lo que se pueda, cuando se pueda y si se puede...


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Re:Belsimtek Mi-24P
« Respuesta #4 en: 02 de Enero de 2018, 21:24:08 pm »
Ya se pueden esforzar, que lo tienen jodido  XD XD


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Re:Belsimtek Mi-24P
« Respuesta #5 en: 19 de Abril de 2020, 11:19:34 am »
Lo necesito ayer o anteayer.  :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re:Belsimtek Mi-24P
« Respuesta #6 en: 08 de Enero de 2021, 16:50:25 pm »
Alex Podvoisky, lider del proyecto del Mi-24, habla sobre el Hind (en ruso). Esperando la traducción.
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« Respuesta #7 en: 09 de Enero de 2021, 00:14:21 am »
Datos extraidos de la entrevista en ruso a Alex Podvoisky (PilotMi8) de hace unos posts (gracias por la traducción de Minsky en el foro de ED) sobre el modulo del Mi-24 Hind P que saldrá en el segundo cuarto de 2021. Detalle a tener en cuenta, el Mi-24P se ha elegido por requerimiento de pilotos reales del Hind para entrenamiento.

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Key moments from the above interview with ED's Mi-24P project manager Alex Podvoisky:
- Alex is an ex-military helicopter pilot (1200+ hours on Mi-8). Working at ED since 2011/12.

- "P" (П) model of the Mi-24 has been chosen because of the real Mi-24 pilot's requests. Also, the Mi-24P can be flown, and most weapons can be employed, from both cockpits.
- No movable "Ka-50 like" front cannon as seen on the Mi-24VP: the real one was imperfect, ineffective and not widespread. Pointless to recreate it in DCS.
- No UPK-23 gun pod (not installed on Russian Mi-24P's).
- No laser target designation: not suitable for this particular Mi-24 model. Optical only (with a very basic gyro stabilization, so it's gonna be challenging).
- Cockpit shaking due to rotor vibrations will be similar to Mi-8, but less pronounced (as on the real helo).
- A2A missiles (R-60) will be added "later". Another ED team is currently reworking all IR missiles in DCS, so they'll be able to spot any heated object - not just those airborne. This is required, since Mi-24s in Afghanistan were employing R-60s against ground targets.

AI co-pilot:
* Co-pilot will be deliberately made imperfect and human-like: it will have harder time spotting smaller and low-contrast targets, or those not in its direct eyesight. No "x-ray vision", instant spotting and dead-on locking.
* Co-pilot in the Early Access will be limited to basic assisting/targeting and enabling certain systems on pilot's request. Other features (like assisted startup, system checks and so on) will be added later.
* It seems that the AI co-pilot will not be able to land the Mi-24 on its own.
* Co-pilot's menu for the Mi-24 is not yet finalized. Devs are aiming at something similar to Jester/Iceman menu: radial, controlled via joystick's hat and TrackIR. Users will be able to change speed, heading, altitude, combat modes, and so on.
* Co-pilot's name is still a secret, but it will be a Russian one.
* No Jester-like jokes and banter: from Alex' own experience, there's no room for that in a combat or training environment. "On RTB - maybe... We'll think about it later".
* Co-pilot will be available in English and Russian languages at first (users will be able to add their own languages via mods).
* Co-pilot/pilot injuries will not be simulated: "we'll think about it later".

Available weapons for the Mi-24:
* Unguided rockets: S-8, S-5, S-13, S-24B
* AG Missiles: 9M114 Sturm (AT-6 Spiral), 9M120 (AT-9 Spiral-2 - later in the Early Access)
* Missiles: R-60M (coming later - explained above)
* Pods: GUVs (like on the Mi-8)
* GSh-30-2 (ГШ-2-30К) 30mm cannon

- Lipa ("Липа") jammer won't be implemented. Alex claims that this system is outdated, hasn't been installed on the Mi-24P for years, and is useless in DCS (don't have suitable threats).
- No President-S RWR/CMS complex for Mi-24 or Mi-8 (no data available). Only the basic ASO-2V dispenser ("АСО-2В").
- A combat campaign for the Mi-24 will be created at some point. No training campaigns or missions planned (at least not for the Early Access).
- In-cockpit (3D) NS430 is unlikely. Windowed (2D) version - "maybe".
- No night vision goggles: the chosen Mi-24P variant doesn't have them. Probably will be added later, but no promises.
- Onboard, Huey-like, gunners will be added "later". Devs don't think they're top priority.
- Regarding troops transporting/deployment: the Mi-24 team is not responsible for this feature, it's a core DCS thing. So, most likely, it won't be available on release (if available at all).
- Landmines. Technically possible to deploy them with the Mi-24, but this feature is not yet implemented in core DCS. Same stands for the Mi-8.
- Visual icing effects: again, this is a core DCS feature, and the Mi-24 team cannot implement it themselves. In other regards, icing will be similar to Mi-8.
- Autopilot system will be fully functional.
- DISS (doppler navigation system) will be fully functional, with simulated drift and drift correction.
- It seems that the Mi-24 will be very well-optimized: no Tomcat-like lags on first load, and, according to Alex: "60-70 fps on my laptop" (specs and DCS settings unknown).
- Apparently, ED's AH-64D is already flyable: Alex is flying one of the early builds, and he's quite enjoying it.
- Multi-crew for the Mi-8 in DCS: "Someday. I would very much like for it to happen".

 - Bonus for those who read through the whole thing: multi-crew for the Mi-24 should be available on day one in the Early Access.
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Re:Belsimtek Mi-24P
« Respuesta #8 en: 29 de Enero de 2021, 13:02:19 pm »
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Re:Belsimtek Mi-24P
« Respuesta #10 en: 26 de Marzo de 2021, 16:29:27 pm »
Mil Mi-24 Hind P en preorden
https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/hind/

DCS: Mi-24P Hind is a simulation of the legendary Mi-24 attack helicopter developed in the USSR and first introduced operationally in 1972. It has seen extensive action over the past 40 years as an effective combat air support helicopter. Fast, reliable and loved by pilots, this incredible machine still serves in more than 50 countries!

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Key Features of DCS: Mi-24P Hind

On pre-order/early access:

Professional flight dynamics and engine modelling with high precision characteristics of the real aircraft in all ranges of altitude, temperature and speeds for different weights and flight configurations
Two 6DOF highly detailed cockpits (RU and EN versions available)
Fully clickable cockpits with interactive control of all onboard systems with mouse
Multi-crew. Second crew member can be another player or "Petrovich" AI (basic AI level during early access phase)
Detailed modeling of the entire electrical, fuel, hydraulic, anti-icing, fire protection, SAS, autopilot and radio systems
Full modeling of armament and weapons systems with ability to use 30mm cannon, unguided rockets (S-8, S-13, S-24B) and bombs from both cockpits in addition to the guided ATGM 9M114 operated by forward seated pilot-operator
Standard Russian new and weathered liveries in addition to Iraqi and Syrian schemes
Early Access manual Russian and English versions
Training missions
On release:

Cargohold gunner with KORD machine gun
Advanced "Petrovich" AI features for pilot or pilot-operator seats
Addition of ATGM 9M120 (HEAT and HE versions) and R-60M air to air missiles
Sling cargo operations
Advanced damage modeling
Additional liveries and livery template
Full manual in Russian and English (full list of languages is TBD)
Campaign by Eagle Dynamics

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